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and good evening from Philadelphia Frank

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here with two-for-one Tuesday we've got

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a another episode of UFO news network

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Sunday this evening after our show

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earlier today it's been a big day for us

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and let me bring in my exhausted co-host

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the one and only chant Hannah to

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introduce our special evening guests

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go ahead Chet you'll get it thank you

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thank you Frank for that introduction

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yes we have had a two-for show today we

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did have a Tom Rogan from the McLaughlin

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group on earlier today that was an

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interesting show and now we have a

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wonderful guest by the name of Baco Baco

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cirucci and he flew in a 6e intruders

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and f-14a tomcat during his 10-year

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active duty career he flew the f5 Tiger

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to for further 10 years as a bandit

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concurrent with his employment as a

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commercial pilot Paco is currently a 737

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captain Paco is also the creator and

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producer of the award-winning naval

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aviation documentary speed and angels

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Paco has written articles for various

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international domestic magazines as well

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as regular contributions to fighter

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sweep he has signed with an agent to

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represent the sale of his debut novel

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lions in the sky a novel aviation

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thriller Paco has the standard panoply

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of medals and ribbons but his pot

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proudest accomplishment is the top

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nugget award for landing grades from his

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first deployment Paco

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would first like to thank you very much

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for your service to our great country I

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have family in the military and their

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Army and Navy one is a pilot also we

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appreciate your service to our great

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country and I would like thank you on

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the show yeah well thank you it was my

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pleasure I enjoyed I'm sorry chant it

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was my pleasure I enjoyed every minute

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of it and I wish they could go back and

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do it again great and I also want you to

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correct me on something because I think

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I may have missed said something during

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your bio you flew a an a6 intruders and

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f-14a tomcat and then f5 Tiger - can you

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tell me did I say any that correctly or

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could you just be more clear about that

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for our listeners if I wasn't clear

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enough you know

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that's correct I flew the a-6 intruder

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from my first deployment my first tour

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and then I transitioned over to the f-14

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Tomcat you know the one that's famous

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from the first Top Gun movie all right

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and I flew the f5 which actually was the

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the bad guy that make 28 in the Top Gun

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movie so wonderful yeah fantastic well I

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just wanted to ask you and first start

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off with could you please share with us

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a little bit about your background just

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who you are as a person and why did you

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join the Navy to become a pilot why was

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that of interest to you sure I was born

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in Bethesda I spent a little bit of time

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growing up in Italy and then ended up

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going to high school in Rochester New

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York I needed some money to go to

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college and I was turned towards the

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Navy ROTC scholarship and I'm super

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grateful that happened nobody in my

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family really was in the military

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certainly no aviators of my family and

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just almost purely by fortune ended up

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going to Boston University on a navy

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scholarship and the summer before my

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sophomore year again I had no aviation

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experience I've never really been in a

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airplane other than as a passenger but I

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got a backseat ride in an f-14 and it

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really changed my life it was a like

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getting that you know hit of a drug that

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you just can't get rid of and I fell in

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love in an instant and I've been

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involved in flying fighters and bigger

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planes ever since great you also

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recently wrote a book and wanted it's

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called lions in the sky and I would also

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like to encourage our listeners to

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please go to lions

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so it's it's the title of the book is

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Lions of the sky and the website is

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Lions of the sky.com

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and just an aside I wanted to let our

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listeners know also to please go to

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fighters sweep calm that's a website

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that he is associated with regarding

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writing articles could you please give

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us a summary of that book and what the

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essence of it

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is sure it's at its spirit courts and

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Naval Aviation thrillers so anyone

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that's interested in you know the

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classic Tom Clancy techno thrillers with

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lots of great action and and

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geopolitical forces moving you know to

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different size sports conflict will be

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interested in it but for me it's a much

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more personal story than that it's

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really about the pilots themselves and

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how they deal with going through

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training to fly the f-18 and how they

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deal with some of their interpersonal

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issues there's a there's some women in

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the class that come up against some

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sexism and and there's a my male lead

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has some issues women that he's got to

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come to terms with and all of this

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obviously is said against the the drama

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the natural inherent drama of flying

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fighters in the Navy you've got to learn

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how to dogfight and drop bombs and fly

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the levels and you know your final exam

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is landing an aircraft carrier so

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there's every chapter is just filled

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with both physical and interpersonal

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drama and it all leads up to this big

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conflict in the South China Sea sort of

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a real-world dilemma an issue that comes

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to a boil in the novel yes I saw that it

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got some really great reviews also I

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wanted to ask you as a former well as a

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military pilot how do you discern the

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differences between stars drones

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unmanned aerial vehicles satellites

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anything else being flung or flown into

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the sky that is anomalous in nature how

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do you tell the difference between all

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of that and a possible anomaly in the

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sky that is distinctly different from a

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star a drone an unmanned aerial vehicle

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that or satellite as a pilot sure well I

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just want to be clear I've never seen

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anything that you would consider to be

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an anomalous view not anomalous vehicle

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that's not an easy one to say you know I

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wrote that article and it's a great

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story but I personally have never

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witnessed anything

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like that but to answer your question

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you know stars don't move certainly not

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to the naked eye they obviously move

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across the skies that Earth rotates

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satellites do move they look like stars

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but they move you can notice them you

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can just watch the best they track

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across the sky and you can do that in

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your backyard

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a drone acts like an airplane so it

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flies the same as an airplane it just

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says I'm a pilot in it obviously and you

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become accustomed to the manner in which

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objects move

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you know airplanes helicopters fighter

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planes versus transport planes versus

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airliners the the they all have sort of

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a very predictable flight pattern or

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flight path to them so it's it's it's

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not as difficult as you may think and at

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night you know everybody's certainly

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things that fly man vehicles and drones

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have a light pattern to them you know

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the green and the red lights and the

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white tail lights so it's it's fairly

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easy to distinguish between them now you

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explain radar recently on an interview

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can you share that explanation again and

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also how do you fit Fleur and radar into

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the topic of the tic-tac topic what is

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your understanding of Fleur radar and

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the Tic Tac incident okay that's a broad

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topic yes sir the way a radar works and

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the way I described it in that other

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show is that if you could imagine

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sitting in a dark room and say like a

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30-foot room and at the other end of the

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room is a person and if you turn on a

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flashlight it's like the same principle

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as a radar it emits energy and you see

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what that energy bounces back to you so

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if you turn on a flashlight and you

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sweep it slowly back and forth across

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the room you don't see that other person

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but you don't see them necessarily very

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clearly you can't get a lot of data on

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them you know that they're there you

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don't know if they're moving and what

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speed they're moving at other than every

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say 3 to 4 seconds when your beam swoops

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across them

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and that's range well scan or track well

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scan depending on the radar type where

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the radar keeps sweeping back and forth

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and tries to build up information on

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returns that it sees and a computer will

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interpolate that data and try to build

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what's called a track file now if you

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want to target that specific thing you

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will take your flashlight and just hold

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it steady at that person across the room

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or that your radar the equivalent is the

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radar holding steady on a aerial target

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and now all of a sudden you get all this

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great information on this one thing you

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can tell exactly its altitude its

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airspeed its flight path vector but you

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lose the perspective of everything else

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in the room so you're getting really

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great data on that one thing and it's

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called a single target track and makes

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sense when you understand the name but

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now you're you're essentially blind to

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all the other stuff that's going on and

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obviously both those radar modes and

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there's a variety of by the radar modes

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as well but those are the two broad ones

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both those radar modes have incredible

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utility and you use them you know for

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when they're most aptly suited the FLIR

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is an acronym for forward-looking

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infrared and there's again a variety of

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FLIR pods you know in the world the one

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that the Super Hornet uses and used at

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the time of the Tic Tac incident also

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to find a target on the ground and you

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can use either the camera mode it's got

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three different modes it's got a camera

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mode which is just a black and white

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contrast camera a infrared mode which is

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it looks similar but everything's

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inverse because you're looking for heat

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signatures and then this this laser

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that's going to be used for ranging and

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targeting and so when you're giving a

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target on the ground when you're flying

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a Super Hornet around you you're linked

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up at Target or you find a target and

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you slew the FLIR slew means you take

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whatever device it is whether it's your

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or your weapon seeker head or this in

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this case the FLIR and you slave it to

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something else to put the cursors over

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that target and now you're flying over

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the the target say it's a tank at you

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know thirty thousand feet and you can

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turn the laser on and now you can drop a

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laser-guided bomb on that target very

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precisely and that's what the FLIR is

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designed to do and you can do it at the

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night in the night time with the

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infrared or you know if it's daytime you

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could use just the camera mode so the

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video that has that people see of the

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ticket Tic Tac incident with the FLIR

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switching back and forth between black

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contrast and white contrast is a FLIR

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being used in a method that it wasn't

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really designed to be used for which is

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air-to-air there's a different infrared

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device that is used for that which

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doesn't even come into play in this

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incident but this FLIR pod was you know

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slaved to the radar track that the wizzo

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god of the tic-tac and he was able to

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from far further away than the FLIR is

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normally designed and used he was able

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to capture images of this thing hovering

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and then switch back and forth between

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camera contrast and IR contrast and and

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ascertain that there was no infrared

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signature coming out of this tic-tac it

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was just hovering there defying gravity

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of its you know it's on the listen there

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was no wings there was no rotors there

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was no engine spilling out any kind of

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gases he was too far away to get any of

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the real details that the visual guys

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got earlier you know with their eyeballs

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so he wasn't you could see a blob but he

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couldn't really see whether or not that

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what windows or wings or anything like

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that

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now just to jump in and be clear here as

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far as I know there were roughly yet

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three saw three flights that went out

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and engaged this the first one marine

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pilot by the name of Douglas Kurth

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the the tic-tac then your friend and the

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guy who you got the story from David

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flavor along with a female pilot they

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had a second encounter and then it was

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on the third encounter by a pilot named

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Chad Underwood I believe who actually

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caught the video that has become so

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famous right roughly so I'll give you

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the the specifics of it

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Doug Kurt never actually saw the tic-tac

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so he didn't actually engage it he was

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vectored out to go check it out okay

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and he actually saw the the water the

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surface of the ocean

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disturbed in a very unusual pattern so

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it was it was 11:30 in the morning and a

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Southern California day very beautiful

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day and the water was glassy smooth

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except for this one patch of water that

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was kind of foaming as if there was

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something underneath it okay like

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boiling and that's all that curse saw he

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flew over that he saw it and then he

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noticed that Dave raver and his wingman

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were coming in and he was asked to leave

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so as he exited he looked back over his

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shoulder and noticed that the water was

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now smooth and that was his experience

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with the incident and then yes

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Dave forever and his wizzo which is the

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the weapon system operator in the back

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of his airplane and then his wingman and

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her wizzo so there was four people and

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again I just to jump in her wizzo was

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mr. slate is that about right or was

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that day are you not sure okay okay

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sorry about that

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I mean I'm yeah I'm not gonna show the

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name I don't know who wants to have

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their name put out I just know that Doug

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Kurtz and Dave flavor are they've been

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associated with this obviously gave

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framers comfortable talking about it now

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but um so those four people actually saw

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the tic-tac they engaged with a Dave

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engage with it and you know they had a

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minute or so encounter with this thing

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before it zoomed away and then the last

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one the

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the Hornet that captured the tic-tac on

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the on the FLIR footage he never

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actually saw it or they never actually

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saw it again two people will pilot a

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Whizzer they never laid eyes on it they

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only saw it on radar and they were able

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to pick it up like I said on the FLIR at

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the outer ranges of the flares

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capabilities so that's why the video is

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kind of fuzzy and indistinct all right

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and now go guy yeah one last thing I

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going back to the lady pilot there was a

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show that the TTS a Tom DeLonge and Lou

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elizondo's group had put together and

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she appeared that didn't reveal her name

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and stayed in the shadows but were you a

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little surprised she went that far and

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going forward and not telling her side

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of the story no I mean no I first of all

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I haven't seen it so I don't know exact

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a okay I'm not surprised that she did

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that it's you know it's an incredible

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event I think it's it's something that

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people that witnessed it are you know

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they're excited to talk about or at

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least share with the world but she

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clearly you know values her privacy she

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may or may not still be in the Navy so

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she doesn't want to be bombarded with

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interview requests or anything like that

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so she was there to share her bit of the

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story and then fade back into the into

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the background and your involvement with

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spider sweep comm is what's kind of led

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you to get there some attention in the

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UFO community can you tell us a little

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bit about the site and your involvement

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with it and why you decided to write

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that particular story sure in 2015 so my

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good friend is the owner and operator of

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fighter shweet Brandon Webb and he he

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owns a variety of military affiliated or

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associated websites and he asked me to

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come in and be the interim editor and I

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I told my chemist summer so I was I was

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the editor of fighter suite for about

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four or five months and one of the first

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articles that I wanted to write and it's

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a story that I had heard for years and

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years since probably 2007

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was date favors UFO article I just loved

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it and I wanted to I'd heard it so many

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times and Dave reminded me actually I've

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talked to him recently preparing for the

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show he reminded me that at one point I

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called him this is probably in 2010 or

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11 I called him up while I was having a

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party at my house and asked him over

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speakerphone to tell everybody at the

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party the story and he was kind enough

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to do so so it was it was a you know a

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great event at this party but it's just

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such a phenomenal and fascinating story

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and at the time it hadn't been talked

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about and nobody had really had any sort

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of UFO experience of any credibility at

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least you know from where I sat as a you

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know someone who doesn't really follow

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this world like you guys do and I I knew

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this guy really well and I knew that you

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know there were all these I I knew all

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the circumstances surrounding this story

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and it just blew my mind so once I had

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this the ability to write like a

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professional journalistic article I went

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ahead and did that and I called Dave up

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to - you know refresh all the the points

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that I was gonna write about and that's

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when I found out that the a tip had done

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an investigation you know oh and I is

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what they call themselves but Dave

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believes that they were a tip and they

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had completed that in 2009 and and

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through a variety of different means I

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was able to get my hands on the a tip

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report before I did my article so my

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article is basically the redacted

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version of the a tip report how were you

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able to get the a tip report just some

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folks that were able to send it to me

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okay did Dave have any problem going on

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the record with you not at all I mean

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I've heard the story forever and again I

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knew so many of the people that were

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involved in this story that you know to

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me it was just the karela the

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credibility was incredibly high and I

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just wanted to get the details of it you

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know the actual nuts and bolts of the

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story so that I can write it in a

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logical manner so I mean if you know I

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don't know if you guys share that kind

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of stuff but if anybody wants to to

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the article which again is basically the

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a tech report without names in it you

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got a fighter sweep or you go google

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there I was the x-files edition and and

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it pops right up so it's a thorough

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comprehensive article without anybody's

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names other than Dave I want I wanted to

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let our listeners know just a little bit

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before Frank asks his next question

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something that might be obvious to some

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listeners and not to others that when we

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were talking about Keith or him at first

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when Paco was saying that he was talking

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about commander flavor and so commander

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flavor he he piloted the lead Super

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Hornet and he's committing officer of

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the Strike Fighter Squadron forty ones

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so I just want to make that clear who

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commander David flavor is and at Frank's

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ro had yeah the next question I was

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going to ask was related to the article

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itself now that article was cited in the

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I guess the introductory kickoff of the

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to the Stars Academy and they took a

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little bit of heat because they used an

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image from the article that was a

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basically a number one mylar balloon and

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Chris melon had suggested that that was

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an actual picture of the tic-tac that

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can you explain a little bit about the

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process in terms of how the art was

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chosen for that particular article yeah

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that's a great question so when I in the

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in the previous reconning z-- of the

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story

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I would always show that tic-tac video

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last so I would tell you know sit around

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a bar whatever have some friends over

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for dinner and tell him the story or

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have David call and a speaker bone and

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tell the story and then I wouldn't show

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him that tic-tac video till the end

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because it really doesn't make it it

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doesn't have any weight to it without

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context without the context of the story

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or the Crandall and as I was calling

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David getting ready to write the article

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one of the things he told me was and and

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that that video was always on YouTube it

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had been on YouTube since I think

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2007-2008 you know it was just out there

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and it was unremarkable if you didn't

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have the story wrapped around it

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so in the process of writing the article

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2015 I discovered that a tip or somebody

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had had taken that video down off of

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youtube I think it's since back up again

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but at the time it wasn't and so we were

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struggling to find some art at fighters

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sweep and you know somebody just threw

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some standard you know UFO art up there

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or so and that you had mentioned the the

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video being up and it was for a while

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and someone had sent it to a

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german-based special effects art house

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basically and now they had had it

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uploaded for a while it seems like maybe

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somebody leaked that a long time ago I

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do you have any thoughts about that I'm

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purely speculating here I have no

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information on this but I'm guessing

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that the wizzo had kept a copy of it

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which probably is not a hundred cent

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legal and you know anonymously put it up

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on YouTube just cuz it was such an

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amazing thing and you wanted to share it

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but that I have zero I don't know who

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that I don't know that was I've never

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met him before I'm just purely guessing

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I'm I'm using my own experience is a you

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know a former naval aviator that's

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probably something that I would have

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done so and since all this has come out

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I mean it's been really two years now

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and really add that today is the two

540
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:29,200
year anniversary of the famous New York

541
00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:32,410
Times article featuring Dave and some of

542
00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:36,100
the TTS people Lou Elizondo as well you

543
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:38,470
know what what do you think about all

544
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:41,770
this you know my thoughts haven't really

545
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,330
changed that much I mean I wrote the

546
00:24:49,890 --> 00:24:45,760
article two years before the New York

547
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:49,900
Times wrote their article and again I've

548
00:24:56,610 --> 00:24:51,970
heard the stories for well over ten

549
00:25:00,450 --> 00:24:56,620
years now so I'm I'm uncomfortable with

550
00:25:02,420 --> 00:25:00,460
the way the story unfolds I'm I have no

551
00:25:05,070 --> 00:25:02,430
answers a really any conjecture as to

552
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:05,080
what they saw what the radar on the

553
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:07,690
Princeton saw you know what they were

554
00:25:14,610 --> 00:25:10,570
wrapped up with flying you know sort of

555
00:25:15,210 --> 00:25:14,620
a semi dogfight their day I will tell

556
00:25:17,370 --> 00:25:15,220
you the Dave

557
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:17,380
does not think it's of this world and to

558
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:18,490
me that carries a lot of weight but

559
00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:21,039
again that's just his opinion you know

560
00:25:24,779 --> 00:25:22,030
there's certain things that are facts

561
00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:24,789
and certain things that are opinions and

562
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:27,150
he he does not believe it's you know

563
00:25:32,430 --> 00:25:30,610
terrestrial it's I guess by default an

564
00:25:34,529 --> 00:25:32,440
extraterrestrial fair enough

565
00:25:37,140 --> 00:25:34,539
one of the things that he had mentioned

566
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:37,150
was that when he got that close to the

567
00:25:42,510 --> 00:25:39,010
the rendezvous point with this tic-tac

568
00:25:44,669 --> 00:25:42,520
his radar was jammed and can you tell us

569
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:44,679
a little bit about does that kind of

570
00:25:52,380 --> 00:25:47,710
thing happen often that seems kind of

571
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:52,390
unusual yeah no it is very unusual yeah

572
00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:54,490
I've only had mine jammed you know a

573
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:56,470
couple times during exercises and you

574
00:26:01,440 --> 00:25:59,520
kind of knew it was going to come I

575
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:01,450
again I'm not sure whether they were

576
00:26:06,270 --> 00:26:03,970
jammed or whether they the radar just

577
00:26:10,140 --> 00:26:06,280
couldn't grab a lock on this thing

578
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:10,150
although the Princeton's could and you

579
00:26:16,409 --> 00:26:12,640
know in certain modes I guess the the

580
00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:16,419
second wave of super hornets was able to

581
00:26:22,529 --> 00:26:20,590
get a weak track on it so I'm not sure I

582
00:26:24,029 --> 00:26:22,539
do know that nobody was ever able to get

583
00:26:25,950 --> 00:26:24,039
a single target track on it and again

584
00:26:29,490 --> 00:26:25,960
that's that when you hold the flashlight

585
00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:29,500
on that one one place to get the most

586
00:26:35,419 --> 00:26:31,990
information possible so nobody ever was

587
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:35,429
able to get a single target track on it

588
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,130
okay go ahead what do you got oh yeah

589
00:26:43,850 --> 00:26:41,440
actually I do have something I wanted to

590
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:43,860
ask him I'm just going to it right now

591
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:47,679
yeah I wanted to talk about the USS

592
00:26:52,890 --> 00:26:51,039
Princeton wanted to know if you could

593
00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:52,900
let us know what you think may have

594
00:26:56,419 --> 00:26:55,150
happened to their radar data regarding

595
00:26:59,730 --> 00:26:56,429
this incident

596
00:27:01,320 --> 00:26:59,740
well again so I wasn't there I've never

597
00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:01,330
been on the Princeton I don't know

598
00:27:06,060 --> 00:27:03,700
menace amount of experience with you

599
00:27:08,669 --> 00:27:06,070
know that either the spy one or you know

600
00:27:11,010 --> 00:27:08,679
cruisers and destroyers in general all I

601
00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:11,020
can tell you is what I heard from my

602
00:27:16,020 --> 00:27:13,390
friend Dave who knew the commanding

603
00:27:18,299 --> 00:27:16,030
officer at Princeton very well they had

604
00:27:21,779 --> 00:27:18,309
dinner aboard the carrier you know he's

605
00:27:23,340 --> 00:27:21,789
a high ranking department head so he all

606
00:27:27,210 --> 00:27:23,350
the commanding officers would have

607
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:27,220
meetings and dinners frequently many

608
00:27:32,030 --> 00:27:29,170
times a week

609
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:32,040
and they talked about the incident and

610
00:27:38,250 --> 00:27:35,290
he never once inferred that anybody came

611
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:38,260
out to his ship and anybody took any

612
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:41,770
tapes or anything like that so again I

613
00:27:45,030 --> 00:27:43,330
don't know that that happened or didn't

614
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:45,040
happen I'm just telling you what Dave

615
00:27:48,780 --> 00:27:46,930
said Dave does not believe that happened

616
00:27:53,220 --> 00:27:48,790
it doesn't make any sense to me again I

617
00:27:56,450 --> 00:27:54,690
these people would talk about stuff like

618
00:27:59,820 --> 00:27:56,460
that they're you know they're not

619
00:28:01,560 --> 00:27:59,830
they're not movie stereotypes there are

620
00:28:03,540 --> 00:28:01,570
real human beings and and if somebody

621
00:28:07,500 --> 00:28:03,550
came out to your ship you would you tell

622
00:28:09,030 --> 00:28:07,510
your friend yeah yeah let me let me jump

623
00:28:11,150 --> 00:28:09,040
in here this is one question I I

624
00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:11,160
definitely want to ask you mentioned

625
00:28:16,820 --> 00:28:14,350
everybody being human beings and one

626
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:16,830
thing in my very brief experience in

627
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:19,360
working as an outside contractor on a

628
00:28:24,870 --> 00:28:22,570
naval base one of the highlights of the

629
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:24,880
day it seemed among all the people in

630
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:27,310
the Navy at this particular base was

631
00:28:31,820 --> 00:28:28,960
basically busting each other's balls

632
00:28:34,980 --> 00:28:31,830
throughout the day and you had mentioned

633
00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:34,990
David gotten a little bit of a heat from

634
00:28:40,140 --> 00:28:38,260
some of his fellow shipmates after this

635
00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:40,150
had happened and can you tell us a

636
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,870
little bit about that and that just tell

637
00:28:48,660 --> 00:28:46,000
us a little bit about that yeah I mean

638
00:28:50,820 --> 00:28:48,670
you're absolutely right so it's it's a

639
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:50,830
ruthless you know environment where

640
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:53,290
people get grief for any little misstep

641
00:29:00,090 --> 00:28:56,130
or you know any slight or precise

642
00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:00,100
perceived sign of weakness but in the

643
00:29:05,340 --> 00:29:01,630
best possible way it's just you know

644
00:29:07,260 --> 00:29:05,350
it's like a fraternity and sorority all

645
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:07,270
mixed up together and everybody's giving

646
00:29:13,530 --> 00:29:10,090
each other grief the whole time when he

647
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:13,540
landed back on on the Nimitz and he went

648
00:29:18,140 --> 00:29:15,010
in after every mission you go in to

649
00:29:21,210 --> 00:29:18,150
debrief with carrier operations

650
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:21,220
intelligence folks and he went in there

651
00:29:26,270 --> 00:29:24,190
to do his debrief and all the

652
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:26,280
intelligence guys were in tinfoil hats

653
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:32,170
which is hilarious and it's also I mean

654
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:34,530
it's just a dick ative of how people

655
00:29:39,850 --> 00:29:37,210
approach the topic at the time you know

656
00:29:42,009 --> 00:29:39,860
in 2004 UFOs were

657
00:29:45,580 --> 00:29:42,019
not a real thing at least not in

658
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:45,590
people's minds and and had Dave not been

659
00:29:51,730 --> 00:29:49,130
a senior and as serious and respected a

660
00:29:54,250 --> 00:29:51,740
person as he is or and was and had there

661
00:29:58,539 --> 00:29:54,260
not been three other witnesses nobody

662
00:30:00,970 --> 00:29:58,549
would have believed him period you know

663
00:30:03,009 --> 00:30:00,980
even with the Princeton radar footage

664
00:30:07,210 --> 00:30:03,019
and all that kind of stuff so a radar

665
00:30:08,620 --> 00:30:07,220
data and you know the next day every day

666
00:30:11,289 --> 00:30:08,630
there's an airplane put out and the air

667
00:30:13,779 --> 00:30:11,299
plan is kind of a general schedule of

668
00:30:15,610 --> 00:30:13,789
events and not the squadrons write their

669
00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:15,620
own flight schedules based on this air

670
00:30:21,159 --> 00:30:18,980
plan and the air plan has a cartoon and

671
00:30:23,289 --> 00:30:21,169
and you know the guys that write it will

672
00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:23,299
take a Gary Larson cartoon and like a

673
00:30:27,460 --> 00:30:25,460
far side cartoon or Calvin and Hobbes or

674
00:30:29,289 --> 00:30:27,470
something like that and whatever fits

675
00:30:31,389 --> 00:30:29,299
the mood and then they'll change the

676
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:31,399
dialogue to make it you know fit this

677
00:30:34,750 --> 00:30:32,960
specific incident and they're always

678
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:34,760
sort of gently ribbing or maybe less

679
00:30:38,860 --> 00:30:37,250
than gently living somebody whoever the

680
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:38,870
target of that cartoon is and on the

681
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:42,289
next day's air plan you know dave was

682
00:30:47,259 --> 00:30:45,049
lampooned a little bit you know there

683
00:30:49,870 --> 00:30:47,269
was a picture of a UFO that had crashed

684
00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:49,880
in the ocean and people were aliens were

685
00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:51,769
swimming away while there's an f-18

686
00:30:56,110 --> 00:30:54,769
flying away you know and the caption is

687
00:30:58,539 --> 00:30:56,120
something to the effect that you know

688
00:31:00,100 --> 00:30:58,549
the UFO never stood a chance against the

689
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,110
amazing fighter pilot you know Dave

690
00:31:04,899 --> 00:31:02,240
flavour but well but nothing that rose

691
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:04,909
to the level of being abusive and then

692
00:31:09,129 --> 00:31:07,760
no no negative ramifications on anyone's

693
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:09,139
career that you're aware of

694
00:31:14,889 --> 00:31:13,370
no absolutely not okay I have a question

695
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:14,899
for you I'm sorry interrupt but I wanted

696
00:31:18,669 --> 00:31:16,730
to ask you a follow-up because you're

697
00:31:22,419 --> 00:31:18,679
talking about you guys were talking

698
00:31:25,419 --> 00:31:22,429
about a UFO the topic of it being a

699
00:31:29,169 --> 00:31:25,429
threat if you don't think the tick-tack

700
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:29,179
or a UFO is a threat then what would you

701
00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:31,519
say to those who are concerned that this

702
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:33,590
type of encounter might happen off the

703
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:36,289
coast of Iran for example couldn't there

704
00:31:40,060 --> 00:31:38,210
be a possibility of an encounter with

705
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:40,070
another government who might turn out

706
00:31:43,149 --> 00:31:41,600
that might turn out differently than

707
00:31:45,419 --> 00:31:43,159
what's what happened with ours with the

708
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,429
tic-tock could they respond differently

709
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:48,080
other governments could be armed is

710
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:51,110
there a possibility of starting a war

711
00:31:54,769 --> 00:31:53,100
over something like that

712
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:54,779
by the way those two last questions I

713
00:31:59,149 --> 00:31:56,970
just asked came from Phoenix MUFON and

714
00:32:01,039 --> 00:31:59,159
that was the one about the Princeton and

715
00:32:02,899 --> 00:32:01,049
the radar data and then this one from

716
00:32:05,749 --> 00:32:02,909
them regarding if you don't think the

717
00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:05,759
tic-tac is a UFO or a UFO as a threat

718
00:32:09,379 --> 00:32:07,860
then what would you say to those who are

719
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:09,389
concerned that this type of encounter

720
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:11,970
could happen for example off the coast

721
00:32:15,940 --> 00:32:14,279
of Iran couldn't there be a possibility

722
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:15,950
of an encounter with another government

723
00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:18,570
that might take that threat very as a

724
00:32:23,419 --> 00:32:20,549
threat and take it very seriously and

725
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:23,429
respond in a manner that could be World

726
00:32:41,740 --> 00:32:37,789
okay I do know that one of the reasons

727
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:41,750
that that a tip investigation from 2009

728
00:32:48,649 --> 00:32:45,899
was commissioned was because you know

729
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,659
they wanted to see what this thing was

730
00:32:54,490 --> 00:32:50,720
or learn as much as they could about it

731
00:32:57,889 --> 00:32:54,500
because none of the carrier's defenses

732
00:33:00,200 --> 00:32:57,899
were able to to deal with it right so if

733
00:33:02,149 --> 00:33:00,210
it had been a threat on the Battle of

734
00:33:04,879 --> 00:33:02,159
the Carrier Strike Group or against the

735
00:33:06,590 --> 00:33:04,889
f-18s there was nothing that we could

736
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:06,600
have done we couldn't have attracted we

737
00:33:11,330 --> 00:33:09,840
couldn't have shot anything at it we

738
00:33:13,610 --> 00:33:11,340
were defenseless against it and that's

739
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:13,620
what the investigation kind of centered

740
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:14,970
on or at least the launching point for

741
00:33:21,259 --> 00:33:19,049
it whether I think another nation such

742
00:33:25,220 --> 00:33:21,269
as Iran could launch World War 3 based

743
00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:25,230
on a tic-tac you know going into the

744
00:33:30,049 --> 00:33:28,860
waters I I mean that's a stretch I don't

745
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:30,059
know first of all I don't know that Iran

746
00:33:32,950 --> 00:33:31,500
could start World War 3 they don't have

747
00:33:36,289 --> 00:33:32,960
a nuclear weapon they don't have a

748
00:33:38,659 --> 00:33:36,299
military big enough to really achieve

749
00:33:41,049 --> 00:33:38,669
that kind of military critical mass to

750
00:33:43,789 --> 00:33:41,059
start World War 3

751
00:33:46,460 --> 00:33:43,799
China and Russia could start over three

752
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:46,470
they have obviously thousands of nuclear

753
00:33:49,879 --> 00:33:48,210
weapons and they have massive militaries

754
00:33:52,610 --> 00:33:49,889
and they could you know get other

755
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:52,620
nations involved we know we know that

756
00:33:58,220 --> 00:33:55,289
Russia and India for example they have a

757
00:34:01,850 --> 00:33:58,230
much faster missile then we do my

758
00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:01,860
understanding on that so regarding any

759
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:04,200
other country do you feel it's possible

760
00:34:10,609 --> 00:34:07,080
that they could view a UFO as a threat

761
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:10,619
and view it in a warlike fashion or yeah

762
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:14,460
or react in that manner they may I mean

763
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:16,020
it's I don't know how somebody's gonna

764
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:18,690
react so the the tic-tac when it was off

765
00:34:23,869 --> 00:34:21,450
the coast of San Diego didn't do

766
00:34:26,299 --> 00:34:23,879
anything that could be deemed as

767
00:34:27,859 --> 00:34:26,309
offensive right it just was it seemed

768
00:34:30,020 --> 00:34:27,869
like it was going about its own business

769
00:34:32,809 --> 00:34:30,030
it wasn't buzzing around the ship it

770
00:34:35,299 --> 00:34:32,819
wasn't you know interacting with the

771
00:34:37,879 --> 00:34:35,309
Hornets in a way that made them feel

772
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:37,889
really defensive like Dave and his women

773
00:34:42,909 --> 00:34:39,599
never felt threatened they were just

774
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:42,919
super curious and and you know they were

775
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:44,879
aggressively trying to get closer to

776
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:46,260
this thing but they never thought that

777
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:48,000
they needed to you know defend

778
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:50,099
themselves or they they never wished

779
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:51,569
that they had weapons on board or

780
00:34:53,780 --> 00:34:52,530
anything like that and they were just

781
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:53,790
like what the hell is this and let's go

782
00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:54,450
check it out

783
00:34:59,120 --> 00:34:57,240
all right the bat the Princeton you know

784
00:35:01,579 --> 00:34:59,130
which was tracking the tic-tac on the on

785
00:35:03,380 --> 00:35:01,589
its radar it never at any point it never

786
00:35:04,700 --> 00:35:03,390
felt threatened in fact the commanding

787
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:04,710
officer the ship was like I don't know

788
00:35:11,870 --> 00:35:09,950
obviously that's different

789
00:35:14,180 --> 00:35:11,880
all right because we know a little bit

790
00:35:15,170 --> 00:35:14,190
more about it and there was some other

791
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:15,180
stuff that happened off the east coast

792
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:19,200
with aircraft and off the Roosevelt so

793
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:21,780
but even still in that instance nobody

794
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:24,089
ever really felt threatened nobody felt

795
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:25,770
that it was a curiosity more than

796
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:29,400
anything else now that doesn't mean that

797
00:35:33,049 --> 00:35:31,170
the Iranians wouldn't see something

798
00:35:34,940 --> 00:35:33,059
floating off their coast and go after it

799
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:34,950
or the Russians you know it in and you

800
00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:36,210
mentioned they have the hypersonic

801
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:38,190
weapons but they're still development

802
00:35:40,789 --> 00:35:39,540
and and even if you have something

803
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:40,799
that's incredibly fast it doesn't mean

804
00:35:47,180 --> 00:35:44,930
it could target a tic-tac it doesn't and

805
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:47,190
it's still not gonna be anywhere near as

806
00:35:53,089 --> 00:35:50,609
fast is multi Mach as fast as that

807
00:35:54,829 --> 00:35:53,099
tic-tac was going so yeah I just a part

808
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:54,839
no I let me yeah I want to follow up on

809
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:57,930
that with the pocker was just talking

810
00:36:03,589 --> 00:35:59,700
about a little bit we see once in awhile

811
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:03,599
now and again video from US Navy ships

812
00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:05,520
where they are literally getting buzzed

813
00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:10,140
by MiG's and how did they get so close

814
00:36:14,770 --> 00:36:11,579
how does that happen

815
00:36:17,089 --> 00:36:14,780
and what's the usual response to that

816
00:36:18,829 --> 00:36:17,099
well that's been happening you know

817
00:36:20,290 --> 00:36:18,839
since the end of World War two since the

818
00:36:23,170 --> 00:36:20,300
dawn of the jet age you know

819
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:23,180
this is a dance that's been going on

820
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:29,410
beyond the public's view for 6070 years

821
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:32,210
it's just a it's just a game that these

822
00:36:35,980 --> 00:36:34,250
nations play with us and we play it with

823
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:35,990
them you know we go we want to go check

824
00:36:39,820 --> 00:36:38,000
out a ship and and when you go check it

825
00:36:42,220 --> 00:36:39,830
out use your FLIR to take as much videos

826
00:36:44,140 --> 00:36:42,230
you can and glean as much intelligence

827
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,150
information as you can and they don't

828
00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:46,400
like that so they send a fighter out to

829
00:36:50,140 --> 00:36:48,350
do a fighter to intercept many miles

830
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:50,150
away and do a fighter escort and they

831
00:36:54,610 --> 00:36:52,070
you know the rule is you always want to

832
00:36:59,320 --> 00:36:54,620
have one of your planes between the ship

833
00:37:02,920 --> 00:36:59,330
and the enemy airplane so it's been

834
00:37:04,540 --> 00:37:02,930
going on forever it's just that you know

835
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:04,550
the tools to report this kind of stuff

836
00:37:07,780 --> 00:37:05,900
are more sophisticated than they ever

837
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:07,790
were and there's a 24-hour news channel

838
00:37:14,380 --> 00:37:12,710
or a news cycle that that is interested

839
00:37:15,970 --> 00:37:14,390
in stuff like that but it's not new

840
00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:15,980
certainly not new to the people in the

841
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:17,870
military does that regard it is that

842
00:37:22,180 --> 00:37:20,240
kind of an annoyance or is it just that

843
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:22,190
well you know they're doing the same job

844
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:25,250
we are so we kind of respect a little

845
00:37:29,890 --> 00:37:27,530
bit or every now what are the feelings

846
00:37:32,740 --> 00:37:29,900
on that type of thing yeah I mean it's

847
00:37:35,710 --> 00:37:32,750
you know it's it's titillating it's

848
00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:35,720
thrilling you know it's there here come

849
00:37:38,770 --> 00:37:36,980
you know they're coming they're coming

850
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:38,780
you could tell you pick them up on radar

851
00:37:43,930 --> 00:37:40,970
you know there's there's this whole

852
00:37:46,420 --> 00:37:43,940
network of interconnected intelligence

853
00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:46,430
gathering pools you know including

854
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:49,280
satellites and human intelligence and

855
00:37:55,090 --> 00:37:52,610
you know long-range radars in Alaska and

856
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:55,100
Nova Scotia and stuff like that so it's

857
00:37:59,560 --> 00:37:56,810
not like they're sneaking up on us we

858
00:38:01,180 --> 00:37:59,570
know they're there and then you send out

859
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:01,190
a fighter to intercept them a long way

860
00:38:07,210 --> 00:38:04,450
away and escort them through there

861
00:38:08,590 --> 00:38:07,220
through their rendezvous with the ship

862
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:08,600
or whatever and then you know like I

863
00:38:14,050 --> 00:38:09,920
said we do the same thing to them you

864
00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:14,060
know we send p3s to look at the Chinese

865
00:38:18,930 --> 00:38:16,220
in the South China Sea and into the

866
00:38:21,220 --> 00:38:18,940
Black Sea we send ships to shadow

867
00:38:23,230 --> 00:38:21,230
Russian ships in the Black Sea all the

868
00:38:26,350 --> 00:38:23,240
time because those are international

869
00:38:29,050 --> 00:38:26,360
waters so we we exercise our rights to

870
00:38:31,420 --> 00:38:29,060
fly and sail in international waters and

871
00:38:34,060 --> 00:38:31,430
whether they like it or not um is it

872
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:34,070
illegal for branches of government

873
00:38:42,250 --> 00:38:36,650
secretly scheduler stack exercises on

874
00:38:45,610 --> 00:38:42,260
top of each other illegal I don't know

875
00:38:49,630 --> 00:38:45,620
it's not done doesn't make any sense to

876
00:38:51,610 --> 00:38:49,640
do anything like that I covered this a

877
00:38:53,770 --> 00:38:51,620
little bit in a previous discussion but

878
00:38:56,890 --> 00:38:53,780
that's not the way that weapon systems

879
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:56,900
are tested it doesn't make any sense to

880
00:39:04,090 --> 00:38:59,680
to to do things like that because

881
00:39:05,590 --> 00:39:04,100
there's no real benefit to to sneaking

882
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,600
up on somebody like that you're not

883
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:07,280
necessarily gonna get you you want to

884
00:39:13,930 --> 00:39:10,210
test things in a controlled way and

885
00:39:16,180 --> 00:39:13,940
increase the challenge of your testing

886
00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:16,190
as much as possible but in a logical and

887
00:39:22,180 --> 00:39:18,950
stair-stepped manner and I think you're

888
00:39:23,650 --> 00:39:22,190
alluding to the fact or the the the

889
00:39:27,580 --> 00:39:23,660
question as to whether or not this was a

890
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:27,590
us tick attack a us build technology

891
00:39:35,230 --> 00:39:30,890
that was testing itself against a

892
00:39:36,580 --> 00:39:35,240
carrier strike group for a hundred

893
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:36,590
thousand reasons that doesn't make any

894
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:37,490
sense

895
00:39:43,180 --> 00:39:41,330
the least of which is you know you don't

896
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:43,190
want to have these planes come into

897
00:39:46,930 --> 00:39:44,330
contact with this thing and then

898
00:39:48,730 --> 00:39:46,940
somebody crash and die and then now you

899
00:39:54,370 --> 00:39:48,740
for no reason you've killed somebody or

900
00:39:56,980 --> 00:39:54,380
two people or four people if you if you

901
00:39:59,320 --> 00:39:56,990
if we built this tic-tac this is us

902
00:40:02,410 --> 00:39:59,330
technology and assuming it's built in

903
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:02,420
area 51 and it's gonna be the most

904
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:04,310
expensive thing that anybody in the

905
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:07,010
world has ever built then it would be

906
00:40:11,230 --> 00:40:09,770
child's play to take a spy-1 radar like

907
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:11,240
the one that's on the Princeton and

908
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:13,610
bring it out to the desert and have this

909
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:17,090
thing fly against the spy-1 radar and to

910
00:40:20,380 --> 00:40:18,650
get an f-18 and bring it out to the

911
00:40:24,100 --> 00:40:20,390
desert and have the f-18 fly against the

912
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:24,110
tic-tac there's there's no value to that

913
00:40:29,860 --> 00:40:27,680
test as as as it would have been with

914
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:29,870
the 2004 Nimitz incident that it doesn't

915
00:40:32,650 --> 00:40:30,670
make any sense

916
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:32,660
nobody would design a test I've been

917
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:35,450
understood so how likely is it and by

918
00:40:39,010 --> 00:40:37,250
the way that last question was the last

919
00:40:40,630 --> 00:40:39,020
question I'll ask of Phoenix MUFON so

920
00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:40,640
that was a question fronted from their

921
00:40:45,460 --> 00:40:43,550
team how likely is it that we can

922
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:45,470
reverse-engineer the technology that has

923
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:47,010
seen in the these

924
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:49,530
tic-tac another UFOs on earth with our

925
00:40:55,580 --> 00:40:51,570
current technology that we may have

926
00:40:56,780 --> 00:40:55,590
given that the et technology allegedly

927
00:40:59,360 --> 00:40:56,790
could be thousands or even millions

928
00:41:02,000 --> 00:40:59,370
ahead of our technology that is from a

929
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:02,010
neuroscientist that question I'll read

930
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:02,400
it again

931
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:07,710
in your opinion well if he is indeed a

932
00:41:12,410 --> 00:41:10,370
neuroscientist and he is far more

933
00:41:14,810 --> 00:41:12,420
qualified to answer that question than I

934
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:14,820
am I you know just a fighter pilot in

935
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:18,810
the Navy I would imagine that you know

936
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:21,410
if we indeed got our hands on some

937
00:41:26,570 --> 00:41:24,930
extraterrestrial tech we would throw it

938
00:41:28,750 --> 00:41:26,580
would make the Manhattan Project look

939
00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:28,760
you know like a kindergarten you know

940
00:41:34,090 --> 00:41:31,740
group project you know we would pull in

941
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:34,100
the best and the brightest from

942
00:41:38,930 --> 00:41:35,850
everywhere that we could get our hands

943
00:41:41,630 --> 00:41:38,940
on and and you know throw them at this

944
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:41,640
problem I don't know I don't know I'm

945
00:41:48,860 --> 00:41:47,070
not an engineer I don't know the first

946
00:41:51,260 --> 00:41:48,870
engineering works other than sort of the

947
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:51,270
obvious you take a part in you you make

948
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:55,440
it again it would be interesting that to

949
00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:56,910
me that's a that's an interesting

950
00:42:01,040 --> 00:41:58,920
proposition it'd be kind of cool if that

951
00:42:03,170 --> 00:42:01,050
were true but I have no data on that

952
00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:03,180
okay and that question was from Roger a

953
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:05,390
Stankovic she's the director of

954
00:42:12,070 --> 00:42:08,610
Australia MUFON we have one from Ruben

955
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:12,080
Uriarte who's a director of MUFON in

956
00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:15,330
believe it's Northern California he says

957
00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:18,300
Paco have you had contact from military

958
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:21,030
pilots from other countries who have had

959
00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:24,450
you a PE / UFO encounters if so do you

960
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:26,040
mind sharing a few of those if you have

961
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:31,410
any to share I'm not in fact you know I

962
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,960
feel like I'm very underwhelming and in

963
00:42:38,540 --> 00:42:35,520
this UFO world because I've only really

964
00:42:39,860 --> 00:42:38,550
had any expertise with this nimitz

965
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:39,870
incident because i know dave raver

966
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:43,200
really well I have not had any contact

967
00:42:47,630 --> 00:42:46,050
with other people that have had you know

968
00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:47,640
what I consider credible I've had some

969
00:42:51,590 --> 00:42:49,500
other people come up and say they've

970
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:51,600
seen UFOs but you know there's no

971
00:42:56,540 --> 00:42:54,660
there's no proof and there's no there's

972
00:42:58,760 --> 00:42:56,550
no video there's no radar returns or

973
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:58,770
anything like that so no yes would be

974
00:43:03,000 --> 00:42:59,440
now

975
00:43:05,549 --> 00:43:03,010
okay up Frank did you have a question

976
00:43:09,299 --> 00:43:05,559
because I did have one from Irina Scott

977
00:43:13,470 --> 00:43:09,309
dr. finish up was your question okay so

978
00:43:15,150 --> 00:43:13,480
uh so dr. arena Scott she worked for the

979
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:15,160
government for a long period of time and

980
00:43:20,250 --> 00:43:17,220
her husband actually works at area 51

981
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:20,260
she says she has a few questions she

982
00:43:25,170 --> 00:43:22,720
says does anyone know any more about the

983
00:43:28,349 --> 00:43:25,180
other objects seen initially and did

984
00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:28,359
anyone tape the returns of a AVS that

985
00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:31,660
would drop from the ATK to hover about

986
00:43:37,410 --> 00:43:33,910
50 feet off the water in a matter of

987
00:43:39,569 --> 00:43:37,420
seconds and similar acrobatics and then

988
00:43:43,140 --> 00:43:39,579
as she wanted to know is there any

989
00:43:44,730 --> 00:43:43,150
information about why you think she I'll

990
00:43:46,529 --> 00:43:44,740
just read it as she wrote it is there

991
00:43:49,289 --> 00:43:46,539
any information about why he thinks his

992
00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:49,299
radar was unable to lock on the object

993
00:43:53,579 --> 00:43:50,920
when it was so close I think you kind of

994
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:53,589
already explained that and what were the

995
00:43:57,660 --> 00:43:55,569
jamming indications I think you may have

996
00:44:00,720 --> 00:43:57,670
already gone over that and has he heard

997
00:44:03,539 --> 00:44:00,730
anything about how even newer radar

998
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:03,549
performs and is there any information

999
00:44:08,579 --> 00:44:06,010
that they have equipped ships and planes

1000
00:44:12,569 --> 00:44:08,589
with more of the type of radar detected

1001
00:44:14,250 --> 00:44:12,579
the that detected the Avs and is there

1002
00:44:15,779 --> 00:44:14,260
any information that similar events have

1003
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:15,789
happened or are being censored by the

1004
00:44:18,930 --> 00:44:16,930
government so it looks like she has

1005
00:44:21,210 --> 00:44:18,940
quite a few questions sir I think you

1006
00:44:23,579 --> 00:44:21,220
answered a few of them but let's start

1007
00:44:25,769 --> 00:44:23,589
off with one and does anyone know any

1008
00:44:27,660 --> 00:44:25,779
more about the other objects seen

1009
00:44:30,089 --> 00:44:27,670
initially and did anyone tape the

1010
00:44:33,029 --> 00:44:30,099
returns of a AVS that would drop from

1011
00:44:34,589 --> 00:44:33,039
the ADK to hover about 50 feet off the

1012
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:34,599
water in a matter of seconds and similar

1013
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,410
acrobatics so from what I understand

1014
00:44:45,569 --> 00:44:40,000
there was nothing was taped nothing was

1015
00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:45,579
recorded so the only video or the only

1016
00:44:53,180 --> 00:44:49,900
recording that was sent back to Third

1017
00:44:55,769 --> 00:44:53,190
Fleet intelligence was that video from

1018
00:44:58,559 --> 00:44:55,779
the second wave of Hornets that went out

1019
00:45:03,660 --> 00:44:58,569
the tic-tac video that we all know and

1020
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:03,670
love at this point in Princeton as far

1021
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:06,690
as I understand from Dave the Princeton

1022
00:45:11,970 --> 00:45:10,210
spy-1 radar tapes they don't record that

1023
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:11,980
or if they do they just tape right over

1024
00:45:19,180 --> 00:45:12,650
it

1025
00:45:21,490 --> 00:45:19,190
there were no other tapes and have you

1026
00:45:23,350 --> 00:45:21,500
heard about how whatever other questions

1027
00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:23,360
was because we're gonna we're skipping

1028
00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:24,830
past the jammy indications because you

1029
00:45:28,690 --> 00:45:26,750
already went over jamming and you are

1030
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:28,700
ready went over go ahead

1031
00:45:33,700 --> 00:45:31,730
yes specifically the indication of

1032
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:33,710
jamming at least on that video on the

1033
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,280
Fleur video that you see so when you're

1034
00:45:41,650 --> 00:45:39,440
closing in on a target you get what's

1035
00:45:44,530 --> 00:45:41,660
called a V subsea velocity of closure

1036
00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:44,540
and that will pop up on your radar and

1037
00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:48,470
it'll show the the velocity that the two

1038
00:45:52,030 --> 00:45:50,150
objects are coming towards each other so

1039
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:52,040
you know your speed say you're going 300

1040
00:45:54,430 --> 00:45:53,330
miles an hour and the other object is

1041
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:54,440
coming at you through outer miles an

1042
00:46:00,670 --> 00:45:57,490
hour you v6e would be 600 miles an hour

1043
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:00,680
one of the strong indications of jamming

1044
00:46:05,050 --> 00:46:03,710
is a V sub C of 99 9 at least in that

1045
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:05,060
piece of equipment that they had that

1046
00:46:09,220 --> 00:46:07,400
day which means basically it's not

1047
00:46:11,530 --> 00:46:09,230
getting any data it's not getting enough

1048
00:46:14,350 --> 00:46:11,540
radar return or information to be able

1049
00:46:16,450 --> 00:46:14,360
to build a track file that would say

1050
00:46:20,010 --> 00:46:16,460
this is our closure on this thing

1051
00:46:23,350 --> 00:46:20,020
so there were there were a couple other

1052
00:46:24,610 --> 00:46:23,360
indications of jamming that I think are

1053
00:46:26,050 --> 00:46:24,620
classified so I'm not gonna go into

1054
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:26,060
those but that's an easy one and it's on

1055
00:46:31,590 --> 00:46:29,330
the it's on the it's on the tic-tock

1056
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:31,600
video itself you can see the 999 s there

1057
00:46:36,100 --> 00:46:34,400
okay and then we already kind of went

1058
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:36,110
over why you think radar was unable to

1059
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:44,890
yeah I know that it wasn't I don't know

1060
00:46:48,610 --> 00:46:46,850
why and there's a couple of there's a

1061
00:46:50,620 --> 00:46:48,620
cup there's basically two explanations

1062
00:46:52,510 --> 00:46:50,630
for the inability to lock on something

1063
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:52,520
one is that its stealth right like a

1064
00:46:58,090 --> 00:46:55,520
modern stealth fighter that it's

1065
00:47:01,330 --> 00:46:58,100
designed in such a way to either radar

1066
00:47:03,250 --> 00:47:01,340
absorb the radar energy or deflect it

1067
00:47:05,710 --> 00:47:03,260
elsewhere so that it doesn't go back to

1068
00:47:08,620 --> 00:47:05,720
its source right there to pick up a

1069
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:08,630
returned a fighter plane needs to send

1070
00:47:13,090 --> 00:47:11,570
out energy from its radar it bounces off

1071
00:47:16,990 --> 00:47:13,100
the object the target and comes right

1072
00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:17,000
back to the the fighter plane if it's

1073
00:47:21,370 --> 00:47:19,790
say you know bounced up into space or

1074
00:47:23,260 --> 00:47:21,380
elsewhere then you don't get that energy

1075
00:47:25,660 --> 00:47:23,270
back you don't get any rate over terms

1076
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:25,670
you have no information so that's one

1077
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:26,460
information

1078
00:47:32,329 --> 00:47:29,730
one possibilities that was some sort of

1079
00:47:34,820 --> 00:47:32,339
very sophisticated stealth and the other

1080
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:34,830
is that it was using jamming or both

1081
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:37,170
right I mean like you know f-35 Fighters

1082
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:40,170
use both they use jamming and stealth so

1083
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:41,520
that they're not picked up on radar so

1084
00:47:45,470 --> 00:47:43,770
okay so I would like to ask you a kind

1085
00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:45,480
of a point-blank question because I'm

1086
00:47:50,810 --> 00:47:47,640
confused and I'm going to come across as

1087
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,820
a novice here so bear with me if

1088
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:53,280
commander flavor believes that this

1089
00:48:01,099 --> 00:47:58,890
could be et technology could be a

1090
00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:01,109
related technology regarding the

1091
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:04,950
tick-tock and you believe it's not no no

1092
00:48:09,940 --> 00:48:08,250
I didn't say that okay so so then thank

1093
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:09,950
you for correcting me on that by the way

1094
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:13,770
let me just ask you do you believe that

1095
00:48:20,990 --> 00:48:17,849
this tick-tock was et technology related

1096
00:48:26,020 --> 00:48:21,000
or the technology may have been derived

1097
00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:26,030
from et related technology or it was our

1098
00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:28,440
technology or another first world

1099
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:32,700
governments technology and it was in our

1100
00:48:43,490 --> 00:48:37,440
airspace or other which of those do you

1101
00:48:46,430 --> 00:48:43,500
think it was well I mean it's a hundred

1102
00:48:48,410 --> 00:48:46,440
percent conjecture at this point I don't

1103
00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:48,420
have I don't have the information to

1104
00:48:53,780 --> 00:48:51,390
really give you a solid answer Dave

1105
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:53,790
believes it's from another world that's

1106
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:56,250
I'm gonna put a lot of credibility to

1107
00:49:01,700 --> 00:48:58,650
that because he and his other three

1108
00:49:03,380 --> 00:49:01,710
eyewitnesses saw it and he you know he

1109
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,390
was a fighter pilot for 20 years he saw

1110
00:49:09,260 --> 00:49:05,040
things that flew all the time and that

1111
00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:09,270
was his job I don't believe it's US tech

1112
00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:11,910
or US tech that's developed from a UFO

1113
00:49:15,859 --> 00:49:14,460
because we're not a country that's

1114
00:49:18,020 --> 00:49:15,869
really good at keeping secrets we're a

1115
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:18,030
very open society somebody would have

1116
00:49:22,849 --> 00:49:20,310
said something about it and we've been

1117
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:22,859
developing this what is considered the

1118
00:49:27,620 --> 00:49:24,930
most expensive weapon system ever built

1119
00:49:29,510 --> 00:49:27,630
the strike fighter program for the last

1120
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:29,520
15 to 20 years

1121
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:31,290
you know if we're developing another

1122
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:36,570
even more expensive and something that

1123
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:38,210
would render the after

1124
00:49:43,130 --> 00:49:41,970
the useless you know it makes no sense

1125
00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:43,140
to me right why would you do both of

1126
00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:49,800
those things build a wall built a

1127
00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:52,140
balloon built you know Fantasy Island

1128
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,880
whatever it's trillions of dollars that

1129
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:56,160
you're spending and wasting so I don't

1130
00:50:05,140 --> 00:49:58,170
for the same reason I don't believe that

1131
00:50:09,020 --> 00:50:05,150
it's a foreign powers technology because

1132
00:50:11,330 --> 00:50:09,030
something of that magnitude you wouldn't

1133
00:50:15,310 --> 00:50:11,340
you wouldn't use it in the way that it

1134
00:50:18,260 --> 00:50:15,320
was used off the coast of San Diego as a

1135
00:50:20,180 --> 00:50:18,270
demonstration of force or as a

1136
00:50:21,860 --> 00:50:20,190
demonstration of technology you know

1137
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,870
it's and there's been no follow up on it

1138
00:50:25,070 --> 00:50:23,280
so why would you do something like that

1139
00:50:26,990 --> 00:50:25,080
if it was Chinese why would they follow

1140
00:50:28,730 --> 00:50:27,000
it fly it over to San Diego just to have

1141
00:50:30,620 --> 00:50:28,740
it do a quick turn with the Nimitz and

1142
00:50:33,590 --> 00:50:30,630
go home I mean you know certain

1143
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:33,600
assumptions can be made without that

1144
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:37,290
time and expense it's just a just a

1145
00:50:42,020 --> 00:50:39,630
comment I wanted to make a comment and

1146
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:42,030
that is and I'm sure it doesn't bother

1147
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:44,040
you in the least when I say this but I

1148
00:50:49,340 --> 00:50:45,810
think some people might wrestle with you

1149
00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:49,350
a little bit regarding your perspective

1150
00:50:54,500 --> 00:50:52,680
on how the the government may not be

1151
00:50:57,770 --> 00:50:54,510
able to necessarily hide something like

1152
00:51:01,520 --> 00:50:57,780
that very easily or or technology like

1153
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:01,530
that I think some folks believe in and

1154
00:51:07,250 --> 00:51:04,140
out of the UFO community that the u.s.

1155
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:07,260
government has quite easily according to

1156
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:10,530
their perspectives kept secrets very

1157
00:51:16,610 --> 00:51:14,250
easily regarding certain topics but what

1158
00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:16,620
I was going to ask you is just another

1159
00:51:22,220 --> 00:51:20,040
question from dr. arena and that is have

1160
00:51:27,350 --> 00:51:22,230
you heard anything about how even newer

1161
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:27,360
radar performs I haven't and I think the

1162
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:30,650
spy-1 you know from 2004 in terms of

1163
00:51:36,350 --> 00:51:34,050
radar technologies is not that really

1164
00:51:37,970 --> 00:51:36,360
that long ago and it was a brand new

1165
00:51:40,070 --> 00:51:37,980
radar at the time I think that was

1166
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:40,080
pretty much the most sophisticated thing

1167
00:51:46,550 --> 00:51:43,980
on the planet so I don't know I don't

1168
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,560
know that there's been other I don't

1169
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:48,480
have been other encounters to be honest

1170
00:51:51,500 --> 00:51:50,850
that involved a ship with a with a radar

1171
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:51,510
picking up

1172
00:51:57,350 --> 00:51:54,480
like that so nothing that I've heard

1173
00:51:59,360 --> 00:51:57,360
okay I'm gonna defer my questions to

1174
00:52:01,160 --> 00:51:59,370
Frank I'll let him ask him in yeah we're

1175
00:52:03,710 --> 00:52:01,170
we're talking a little bit about the

1176
00:52:06,860 --> 00:52:03,720
radar and apparently there was an e-2

1177
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:06,870
Hawkeye radar plane that was at least up

1178
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:08,940
in the air and can you explain to the

1179
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,530
folks a little bit it seems like

1180
00:52:15,620 --> 00:52:12,960
everybody's got their own radar set the

1181
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:15,630
individual jets do the ships do and then

1182
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:18,510
there are these e - Hawkeye planes and

1183
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:21,210
what is their role when you've got that

1184
00:52:24,830 --> 00:52:22,890
planes up in the air they always up in

1185
00:52:29,810 --> 00:52:24,840
the air tell us a little bit about the

1186
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:29,820
role that the e 2 planes have in terms

1187
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:33,690
of running a carrier group sure so

1188
00:52:37,340 --> 00:52:35,370
you're right everybody's got a radar

1189
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:37,350
everybody down - the missiles themselves

1190
00:52:43,700 --> 00:52:41,610
have radars on board so and each of

1191
00:52:47,300 --> 00:52:43,710
those radars has a different role

1192
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:47,310
so the Princeton is in charge of the

1193
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:49,890
fleet air defense the strike group air

1194
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:52,170
defense so it's it's really designed to

1195
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:54,810
primarily protect the ships in the

1196
00:52:59,600 --> 00:52:56,850
Carrier Strike Group from inbound

1197
00:53:01,130 --> 00:52:59,610
targets whatever they may be and to be

1198
00:53:03,370 --> 00:53:01,140
able to shoot what's called a SMT

1199
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:03,380
withstand a missile - out and shoot down

1200
00:53:09,020 --> 00:53:06,210
you know whatever enemy is coming at you

1201
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:09,030
that's the simplified version of what

1202
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:12,210
the Princeton's job is the e2s job is to

1203
00:53:18,350 --> 00:53:16,020
be the overall sort of God's eye view

1204
00:53:25,070 --> 00:53:18,360
quarterback of the aerial battlefield

1205
00:53:27,170 --> 00:53:25,080
and when you go into a combat action you

1206
00:53:30,020 --> 00:53:27,180
take you launch the e - first and it's a

1207
00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:30,030
slower airplane so it launches first and

1208
00:53:35,810 --> 00:53:33,540
it goes out with an escort to get close

1209
00:53:38,270 --> 00:53:35,820
enough to the wherever the action is

1210
00:53:39,980 --> 00:53:38,280
gonna be they've got this huge radar

1211
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:39,990
that spins on top like it looks like a

1212
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:44,970
big flying saucer and it is able to pick

1213
00:53:49,610 --> 00:53:46,890
up like I said the God's eye view of

1214
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:49,620
what's going on now the fighters will

1215
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:51,450
launch and they'll check in with the eto

1216
00:53:56,060 --> 00:53:53,010
and the et will say hey why don't you

1217
00:53:58,330 --> 00:53:56,070
head west because there's four fighters

1218
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,340
that you've got a you know target and

1219
00:54:02,570 --> 00:54:00,960
when we see them and we're putting you

1220
00:54:04,490 --> 00:54:02,580
guys in charge of that group to the west

1221
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:04,500
and then the next guys will check in and

1222
00:54:06,420 --> 00:54:04,930
say

1223
00:54:08,579 --> 00:54:06,430
you guys go north there's another group

1224
00:54:10,530 --> 00:54:08,589
to the north you guys go north and once

1225
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:10,540
you're targeted by the e2 then the

1226
00:54:14,910 --> 00:54:12,730
fighters at a certain range can pick up

1227
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,920
the the threat on their own radars and

1228
00:54:19,230 --> 00:54:16,960
then they do the fine-tuning of whatever

1229
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:19,240
intercept or military action needs to

1230
00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:21,849
take place and then as I mentioned when

1231
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:25,390
you if you shoot a missile modern

1232
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:26,290
missiles

1233
00:54:31,740 --> 00:54:28,450
you know you launch them at a target

1234
00:54:33,420 --> 00:54:31,750
many tens of miles away and in the

1235
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:33,430
endgame they turn on their own little

1236
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:35,890
onboard radars and they guide themselves

1237
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:39,119
into the target all by themselves so you

1238
00:54:45,319 --> 00:54:41,950
know the radar is used in a variety of

1239
00:54:53,130 --> 00:54:45,329
different functions throughout the

1240
00:54:54,450 --> 00:54:53,140
battlefield and back to you champ okay

1241
00:54:58,829 --> 00:54:54,460
great yeah I did have a question

1242
00:55:00,660 --> 00:54:58,839
actually and that is this one again from

1243
00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:00,670
the Phoenix MUFON team they actually

1244
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:02,920
gave quite a large list of questions but

1245
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,480
I'm only asking a fraction of them and

1246
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,280
thank you for your patience did

1247
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:12,400
commander flavor only see the tic-tac or

1248
00:55:18,750 --> 00:55:14,770
did he also see the fleet that was

1249
00:55:20,670 --> 00:55:18,760
positioned higher up in the sky he only

1250
00:55:23,490 --> 00:55:20,680
saw the tick well he's on a tic-tac and

1251
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:23,500
he saw that disc of water or that was

1252
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:26,770
disturbed beneath the tic-tac so the way

1253
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:29,530
that played out is yeah he and he and

1254
00:55:39,059 --> 00:55:34,210
his wingmen and the other Hornet by a

1255
00:55:42,539 --> 00:55:39,069
piloted by Colonel Kurth were vectored

1256
00:55:44,609 --> 00:55:42,549
at the same contact Kurth flew over it

1257
00:55:46,650 --> 00:55:44,619
and left and all he said was the disc

1258
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:46,660
and then obviously forever his wingman

1259
00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:48,609
flew over the disc of water and that's

1260
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:50,470
the first thing that they saw that

1261
00:55:55,410 --> 00:55:53,920
bubbling disc of disturbed water and as

1262
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:55,420
soon as they noticed the tic-tac

1263
00:55:59,730 --> 00:55:57,490
hovering and zipping around over the

1264
00:56:02,609 --> 00:55:59,740
water and the tic-tac seemed to take

1265
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:02,619
note of them the the what the ocean went

1266
00:56:09,420 --> 00:56:05,650
smooth so that's what everybody saw I've

1267
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:09,430
never heard any evidence that there was

1268
00:56:15,930 --> 00:56:13,089
more tic tacs present at the moment you

1269
00:56:18,420 --> 00:56:15,940
know a fleet of them up high that's

1270
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:18,430
that's new to me I'm not saying it

1271
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:18,970
didn't happen

1272
00:56:23,550 --> 00:56:21,010
is not present in the report and nobody

1273
00:56:26,580 --> 00:56:23,560
has ever really mentioned it you know

1274
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:26,590
that was in a position of authority okay

1275
00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:29,170
this one is from John Aldridge he is a

1276
00:56:34,410 --> 00:56:32,470
well known researcher and historian in

1277
00:56:38,490 --> 00:56:34,420
the UFO community he's researched this

1278
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:38,500
topic for almost six decades now he runs

1279
00:56:44,790 --> 00:56:42,240
what's called Project 1947 calm and

1280
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:44,800
wanted to ask you this question

1281
00:56:51,210 --> 00:56:47,170
and then he has an explanation for it

1282
00:56:52,980 --> 00:56:51,220
also your opinion of the scu report that

1283
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:52,990
would be the scientific coalition of you

1284
00:56:58,440 --> 00:56:56,130
ApS they wrote up a report on this I

1285
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:58,450
don't know if you're aware of that I did

1286
00:57:03,390 --> 00:57:00,640
send you the link on it they called it

1287
00:57:05,850 --> 00:57:03,400
the 2004 USS Nimitz strike Navy group

1288
00:57:09,420 --> 00:57:05,860
incident and the scientific Coalition

1289
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:09,430
for you a piece did analysis of the

1290
00:57:14,610 --> 00:57:12,130
evidence and resulting conclusions that

1291
00:57:22,980 --> 00:57:14,620
they had on that did you get a chance to

1292
00:57:24,990 --> 00:57:22,990
review that report I'm sorry okay well

1293
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:25,000
then let's move on because John had

1294
00:57:30,660 --> 00:57:27,490
another I think it's another question I

1295
00:57:32,820 --> 00:57:30,670
wanted to ask you comments on what

1296
00:57:35,130 --> 00:57:32,830
appears hit meaning your comments on

1297
00:57:37,770 --> 00:57:35,140
what appears to be a perversion in

1298
00:57:39,750 --> 00:57:37,780
John's eyes I believe his perspective

1299
00:57:42,180 --> 00:57:39,760
your comments and what appears to be a

1300
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:42,190
perversion of the FOIA process by the

1301
00:57:47,330 --> 00:57:44,890
military in this case when I asked him

1302
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:47,340
what he meant by that he said this

1303
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:49,930
according to Paco the day he called

1304
00:57:54,990 --> 00:57:52,570
commander freighter in 2015

1305
00:57:57,570 --> 00:57:55,000
flavor told him the Office of Naval

1306
00:58:00,600 --> 00:57:57,580
Intelligence had just left after

1307
00:58:04,980 --> 00:58:00,610
investigation on the 2004 incident every

1308
00:58:07,710 --> 00:58:04,990
Navy activity reported a record some

1309
00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:07,720
Navy and USMC personnel in the FOIA

1310
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:11,260
process knew of the Tic Tac incident

1311
00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:16,140
- that was number one - he said go ahead

1312
00:58:24,990 --> 00:58:19,630
one at a time before before I forget the

1313
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:25,000
first question so - to clarify what I

1314
00:58:30,830 --> 00:58:28,210
said earlier I did say that the eighth

1315
00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:30,840
tip investigation was 2015 Dave

1316
00:58:36,290 --> 00:58:32,700
directed me I talked him recently he

1317
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,300
said it was actually in 2009 but he had

1318
00:58:41,060 --> 00:58:38,160
heard about it you know when I called

1319
00:58:42,910 --> 00:58:41,070
him in 2015 he had just you know heard

1320
00:58:46,270 --> 00:58:42,920
about it or gotten the results or

1321
00:58:49,220 --> 00:58:46,280
something like that so the actual

1322
00:58:50,990 --> 00:58:49,230
investigation took place in 2009 so five

1323
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:51,000
years after the incident not 9 years

1324
00:59:01,010 --> 00:58:57,930
after the incident and I don't so the

1325
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:01,020
folks in the Navy according to this a

1326
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:05,520
tip reporters did everything correctly

1327
00:59:11,630 --> 00:59:08,090
they sent you know the intelligence

1328
00:59:14,890 --> 00:59:11,640
community sent their report up to 3rd

1329
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:14,900
fleet and 3rd fleet received it and

1330
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:16,770
didn't really know what to do with it

1331
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:18,810
and it just stayed in a pile of messages

1332
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:21,920
that eventually were superseded by the

1333
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:24,210
tens of millions of other messages that

1334
00:59:32,270 --> 00:59:29,850
come through that office nothing ever

1335
00:59:33,530 --> 00:59:32,280
happened again to make them go back and

1336
00:59:36,970 --> 00:59:33,540
look at it you know what I mean so if

1337
00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:36,980
say there was something else that had

1338
00:59:40,820 --> 00:59:38,790
escalated this incident they would have

1339
00:59:42,260 --> 00:59:40,830
been able to go back and revive it at a

1340
00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:42,270
certain amount of time but I think it

1341
00:59:47,110 --> 00:59:44,220
just I think it just went away

1342
00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:47,120
you know nobody it was it this radical

1343
00:59:50,510 --> 00:59:49,110
incident that people didn't know how to

1344
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:50,520
wrap their heads around and there was no

1345
01:00:00,140 --> 00:59:54,720
procedure in place to to really take

1346
01:00:03,650 --> 01:00:00,150
note of it properly ok ok yeah let me

1347
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:03,660
jump in before you change subject sir we

1348
01:00:07,250 --> 01:00:05,490
I was just reading the last comment that

1349
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:07,260
he had it wasn't a question it was just

1350
01:00:15,470 --> 01:00:12,480
a comment by Jan 2 to Paco and that was

1351
01:00:17,540 --> 01:00:15,480
he said we fired the 1954 filming of

1352
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:17,550
UFOs by the balloon and a Navy chase

1353
01:00:22,130 --> 01:00:19,770
plane the request was not general but

1354
01:00:24,020 --> 01:00:22,140
for info on a specific incident the

1355
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,030
answer was a general press release on

1356
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:26,640
the moby-dick balloons also it said that

1357
01:00:30,740 --> 01:00:28,710
any pill was denied in advance the

1358
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:30,750
Inspector General is usually interested

1359
01:00:35,180 --> 01:00:32,370
in activities which are not doing their

1360
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,190
job or acting improperly the IG takes

1361
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:37,680
the incompetence part I expect items

1362
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:39,810
dealing with UFOs are probably collected

1363
01:00:44,750 --> 01:00:41,910
sequestered so the original activity can

1364
01:00:47,420 --> 01:00:44,760
honestly say no record

1365
01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:47,430
that was his comment go ahead yeah and

1366
01:00:51,740 --> 01:00:49,260
just in the news that within the last

1367
01:00:54,590 --> 01:00:51,750
couple years within the last year was an

1368
01:00:57,950 --> 01:00:54,600
apparent very wide open change in navy

1369
01:00:59,740 --> 01:00:57,960
policy basically saying if you deal with

1370
01:01:02,870 --> 01:00:59,750
something like this some kind of a

1371
01:01:06,290 --> 01:01:02,880
anomalous aircraft or whatever the case

1372
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:06,300
may be we want that report and what did

1373
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:07,980
you think about that change in policy

1374
01:01:12,830 --> 01:01:10,170
why I mean I think it makes perfect

1375
01:01:16,180 --> 01:01:12,840
sense you know we've had obviously

1376
01:01:18,980 --> 01:01:16,190
Dave's incident and then off the coast

1377
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:18,990
off the East Coast off the Roosevelt I

1378
01:01:26,030 --> 01:01:22,290
think it was there was another series of

1379
01:01:29,950 --> 01:01:26,040
incidents you know caught on FLIR and so

1380
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:29,960
the Navy wants to know more and it makes

1381
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:32,010
it makes perfect sense

1382
01:01:38,210 --> 01:01:36,000
you know it's we we have procedures in

1383
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:38,220
place to deal with things that we know

1384
01:01:45,020 --> 01:01:42,720
of and when we learn of new things new

1385
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:45,030
threats new curiosities we have to

1386
01:01:50,540 --> 01:01:47,250
develop new procedures to deal with it's

1387
01:01:53,090 --> 01:01:50,550
an enormous organization you know it's

1388
01:01:54,830 --> 01:01:53,100
the military in the u.s. is the biggest

1389
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:54,840
bureaucracy in the world it's not I

1390
01:02:01,580 --> 01:01:57,330
think to think that there's something

1391
01:02:05,450 --> 01:02:01,590
nefarious going on in the Navy with with

1392
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:05,460
normal Navy people I mean from my point

1393
01:02:09,010 --> 01:02:07,170
of view is comical because you know I've

1394
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:09,020
dealt with these people my whole lives

1395
01:02:13,070 --> 01:02:11,670
but I understand perhaps from an

1396
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:13,080
outsider's point of view that they think

1397
01:02:21,140 --> 01:02:16,050
well somebody's withholding or hiding or

1398
01:02:22,610 --> 01:02:21,150
you know lying about what they know so I

1399
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,620
was listening to an interview that you

1400
01:02:27,590 --> 01:02:24,480
did I believe with Jim Breslow that was

1401
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:27,600
a wonderful interview by the way and you

1402
01:02:33,740 --> 01:02:30,090
mentioned that that's just not how the

1403
01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:33,750
military does business now wouldn't you

1404
01:02:39,590 --> 01:02:36,030
say the same thing and again in this

1405
01:02:42,890 --> 01:02:39,600
respect and that is there was a theory

1406
01:02:46,010 --> 01:02:42,900
going around the UFO community that

1407
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:46,020
possibly DARPA was performing a test on

1408
01:02:52,250 --> 01:02:49,290
technology regarding the tic-tac as a

1409
01:02:54,860 --> 01:02:52,260
type of sort of a social or military

1410
01:02:57,410 --> 01:02:54,870
readiness test or that it was a secret

1411
01:02:59,180 --> 01:02:57,420
test by some other faction of the US

1412
01:03:02,570 --> 01:02:59,190
government

1413
01:03:04,820 --> 01:03:02,580
now I'm pretty I'm confident that you

1414
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:04,830
may say that's just not how the military

1415
01:03:10,580 --> 01:03:08,730
does business wouldn't you say that yeah

1416
01:03:13,070 --> 01:03:10,590
I mean that doesn't ring true to me and

1417
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:13,080
even the slightest manner because I

1418
01:03:17,780 --> 01:03:14,880
think I touched on this earlier there's

1419
01:03:20,900 --> 01:03:17,790
there's basically no logical reason to

1420
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:20,910
design a test of that nature especially

1421
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:22,170
if you're dealing with something so

1422
01:03:27,860 --> 01:03:26,130
expensive it doesn't make any sense

1423
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:27,870
there's no nobody would do something

1424
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:29,850
like that yeah and I understand that the

1425
01:03:34,970 --> 01:03:31,770
ships by the way had no weapons during

1426
01:03:36,290 --> 01:03:34,980
that period of time for a reason can you

1427
01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:36,300
explain why that is

1428
01:03:40,430 --> 01:03:37,740
well the ships had weapons on board

1429
01:03:43,340 --> 01:03:40,440
there they have a magazine and an armory

1430
01:03:45,860 --> 01:03:43,350
and you know that those things have a

1431
01:03:47,780 --> 01:03:45,870
supply well I think did not interrupt

1432
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:47,790
but I think she means the the Jets

1433
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:49,530
themselves they were unarmed at that

1434
01:03:54,260 --> 01:03:53,970
point thank you yes that's exactly what

1435
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:54,270
I meant

1436
01:03:59,060 --> 01:03:56,730
and then also up Paco you described a

1437
01:04:00,920 --> 01:03:59,070
ship like an apartment building in an

1438
01:04:03,380 --> 01:04:00,930
interview can you please explain why

1439
01:04:05,090 --> 01:04:03,390
that is so our listeners can understand

1440
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:05,100
why you would do that give that kind of

1441
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:07,110
a description of a ship like an

1442
01:04:16,310 --> 01:04:13,110
apartment building yes yeah the fighter

1443
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:16,320
planes only put weapons on on them when

1444
01:04:22,010 --> 01:04:18,810
they are in a combat zone and the reason

1445
01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:22,020
that you do that is just pure safety are

1446
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:26,040
the way we the way we practice and train

1447
01:04:31,370 --> 01:04:29,490
is developed over time and it's refined

1448
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:31,380
over time due to things that have

1449
01:04:35,180 --> 01:04:33,570
happened and a few times in our past

1450
01:04:37,310 --> 01:04:35,190
guys would be out training with live

1451
01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:37,320
weapons on board and accidentally switch

1452
01:04:41,870 --> 01:04:39,660
a weapon station on and shoot down

1453
01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:41,880
another airplane it's happened you know

1454
01:04:46,610 --> 01:04:44,700
you believe it or not so unless we're

1455
01:04:48,830 --> 01:04:46,620
going into a combat zone or doing a

1456
01:04:49,370 --> 01:04:48,840
missile exercise or strafing or

1457
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:49,380
something like that

1458
01:04:55,490 --> 01:04:50,880
we don't have live weapons on the

1459
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:55,500
airplanes does it make sense yeah

1460
01:04:58,940 --> 01:04:57,810
absolutely thank you for being so clear

1461
01:05:01,880 --> 01:04:58,950
about that I think that's a great

1462
01:05:04,580 --> 01:05:01,890
metaphor also so that the average

1463
01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:04,590
layperson so to speak and understand a

1464
01:05:11,460 --> 01:05:07,200
little bit more about that complex topic

1465
01:05:15,859 --> 01:05:11,470
what I wanted to ask you

1466
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:15,869
building well question so please do that

1467
01:05:20,579 --> 01:05:18,400
was specifically that that comment was

1468
01:05:23,250 --> 01:05:20,589
in reference to the aircraft carrier

1469
01:05:25,140 --> 01:05:23,260
itself and an aircraft carrier is in a

1470
01:05:28,589 --> 01:05:25,150
lot of ways like an apartment building

1471
01:05:29,849 --> 01:05:28,599
in the sense that you have a commander

1472
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:29,859
of the captain of the aircraft carrier

1473
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:31,450
is the guy who owns the apartment

1474
01:05:36,780 --> 01:05:33,130
building so he's got this big beautiful

1475
01:05:38,910 --> 01:05:36,790
ship and there's maybe 2,500 and 3,000

1476
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:38,920
people that work for him on the ship

1477
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,530
that run the ship you know all the way

1478
01:05:45,660 --> 01:05:43,359
from the nuclear actors to the screws to

1479
01:05:48,210 --> 01:05:45,670
you know cooking food or whatever and

1480
01:05:50,700 --> 01:05:48,220
they they own the ship and then there's

1481
01:05:53,250 --> 01:05:50,710
these squadrons that fly on board in the

1482
01:05:54,630 --> 01:05:53,260
form of an Air Wing roughly nine

1483
01:05:56,609 --> 01:05:54,640
squadrons that show up and they are

1484
01:06:00,329 --> 01:05:56,619
called the tenant commands just like you

1485
01:06:03,030 --> 01:06:00,339
rent an apartment you know to move into

1486
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:03,040
every time a ship deploys the tenant

1487
01:06:07,170 --> 01:06:04,720
commands move onboard and they literally

1488
01:06:09,150 --> 01:06:07,180
bring everything they bring you know

1489
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:09,160
obviously the beds are there already but

1490
01:06:13,020 --> 01:06:11,050
they bring all their tools and their

1491
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:13,030
books maintenance books maintenance

1492
01:06:18,030 --> 01:06:15,280
manuals are the squadrons have to

1493
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:18,040
decorate the ready room I mean it that

1494
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:20,290
you show up and it's just a blank room

1495
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:22,210
with chairs in it and whiteboards and

1496
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:24,160
and you have to bring your whiteboard

1497
01:06:30,089 --> 01:06:27,280
markers and you know everything so that

1498
01:06:31,980 --> 01:06:30,099
and the Air Wing is commanded by a

1499
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:31,990
commander of the Air Wing and he's also

1500
01:06:35,819 --> 01:06:33,760
a captain so you've got on an aircraft

1501
01:06:37,740 --> 01:06:35,829
carrier you've got two captains of equal

1502
01:06:40,380 --> 01:06:37,750
people of equal rank that work together

1503
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:40,390
to make the ship and the Air Wing work

1504
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:42,970
efficiently together okay and then we

1505
01:06:49,349 --> 01:06:45,250
did have one last question from Reuben

1506
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:49,359
ori at the the northern northern

1507
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:52,480
california director of FINA of MUFON and

1508
01:06:59,280 --> 01:06:55,810
his last question to you was do you

1509
01:07:01,710 --> 01:06:59,290
imagine or could there be or possible

1510
01:07:04,109 --> 01:07:01,720
consequences of any kind for military

1511
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:04,119
pilots who report their experiences to

1512
01:07:09,839 --> 01:07:06,730
NGOs outside of the pilots chain of

1513
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:09,849
command I mean I may not be reading that

1514
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:11,050
right but I think really what he's

1515
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:13,690
asking or can you can you can you read

1516
01:07:17,730 --> 01:07:15,280
his inference regarding what he's

1517
01:07:19,970 --> 01:07:17,740
actually saying there yeah no I mean

1518
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:19,980
there's none like when I when I

1519
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:21,850
interviewed Dave

1520
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:24,160
David was very public about what he saw

1521
01:07:28,740 --> 01:07:26,770
from the moment he saw it you know as

1522
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:28,750
where the people on the Princeton you

1523
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:30,250
know that there was nobody that ever

1524
01:07:35,310 --> 01:07:32,410
came and said hey keep this down nobody

1525
01:07:38,940 --> 01:07:35,320
had to sign an NDA hey or anything like

1526
01:07:42,300 --> 01:07:38,950
that those that didn't happen and and

1527
01:07:47,340 --> 01:07:42,310
you're not know unless it's a government

1528
01:07:48,810 --> 01:07:47,350
classified secret which this is not you

1529
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:48,820
know you can you can speak your mind

1530
01:07:52,980 --> 01:07:51,280
about whatever you see um where were you

1531
01:07:55,050 --> 01:07:52,990
stationed by the way this questions from

1532
01:07:58,020 --> 01:07:55,060
listener Dean Ashley who's an expert on

1533
01:08:00,480 --> 01:07:58,030
Fleur and radar technology he wanted to

1534
01:08:02,220 --> 01:08:00,490
ask you and by the way he's a he's a fan

1535
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:02,230
ears and he says that if you're ever in

1536
01:08:09,030 --> 01:08:03,850
town where he's at if you guys could go

1537
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:09,040
have a beer he said he wanted to ask you

1538
01:08:16,079 --> 01:08:11,650
I would first ask him where was he

1539
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:16,089
stationed when in the Navy of when he

1540
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:18,250
was in the Navy okay so he was stationed

1541
01:08:23,460 --> 01:08:21,040
in the Navy in 1996 to 2000 I guess

1542
01:08:28,079 --> 01:08:23,470
where were you at he wanted to know what

1543
01:08:30,180 --> 01:08:28,089
not I was in nes would be Island up near

1544
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:30,190
Seattle and then when I flew Tomcats

1545
01:08:35,849 --> 01:08:32,650
that was at Miramar down in San Diego

1546
01:08:37,050 --> 01:08:35,859
and when I flew f5s I was reservists but

1547
01:08:38,670 --> 01:08:37,060
I was flying out of the Naval Air

1548
01:08:41,039 --> 01:08:38,680
Station falen which is up near Reno

1549
01:08:42,809 --> 01:08:41,049
Nevada okay he wanted to share with you

1550
01:08:45,420 --> 01:08:42,819
that during that period of time he was

1551
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:45,430
in Cecil field and then it says in

1552
01:08:50,579 --> 01:08:48,490
parentheses slam - er and then in the

1553
01:08:53,190 --> 01:08:50,589
parenthesis and then NEC was the mad

1554
01:08:58,680 --> 01:08:53,200
system and he worked on Bullwinkle pods

1555
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,690
in signal ax or signal ax okay yes and

1556
01:09:02,970 --> 01:09:00,640
anyway and then he says the next

1557
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:02,980
question is I would ask him if he thinks

1558
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:05,770
any of the ad Fleur videos were digital

1559
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:08,049
and he says I'm under the assumption

1560
01:09:13,170 --> 01:09:10,330
that they were analog all analog and

1561
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:13,180
that there was a huge jump in in fair

1562
01:09:18,900 --> 01:09:14,560
technology at the turn of the century

1563
01:09:22,349 --> 01:09:18,910
and it makes a difference comments yes

1564
01:09:24,990 --> 01:09:22,359
and this was in 2004 I don't pretty sure

1565
01:09:28,050 --> 01:09:25,000
that 80 Flair and for whatever reason

1566
01:09:30,650 --> 01:09:28,060
people call it the 80 Flair I'm pretty

1567
01:09:32,490 --> 01:09:30,660
sure the 80 player was digital

1568
01:09:34,770 --> 01:09:32,500
especially since it was on a Super

1569
01:09:35,490 --> 01:09:34,780
Hornet I never play with an 80 FLIR I

1570
01:09:38,570 --> 01:09:35,500
flew with different

1571
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:38,580
types of flares on the a6 in the f-14

1572
01:09:45,050 --> 01:09:41,890
what it did not have was the ability at

1573
01:09:48,030 --> 01:09:45,060
the time in 2004 to transmit live video

1574
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,040
elsewhere so what would have happened is

1575
01:09:55,020 --> 01:09:50,560
they would have landed taken the drive

1576
01:09:59,130 --> 01:09:55,030
that the 80 clear recording was on and

1577
01:10:02,250 --> 01:09:59,140
then brought that in for a you know

1578
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:02,260
investigation by intelligence so in

1579
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:05,110
today's world an eighteen flare can

1580
01:10:10,260 --> 01:10:08,170
actually transmit LED video and it's

1581
01:10:12,090 --> 01:10:10,270
really used to transmit to guys on the

1582
01:10:13,380 --> 01:10:12,100
ground so that they can make sure that

1583
01:10:17,670 --> 01:10:13,390
the airplane is targeting something

1584
01:10:19,620 --> 01:10:17,680
properly so you know the people that say

1585
01:10:23,730 --> 01:10:19,630
that they saw eighty FLIR video of the

1586
01:10:27,090 --> 01:10:23,740
Hornets engaged with the tic-tac in a

1587
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:27,100
ten minute video or I don't know what

1588
01:10:32,090 --> 01:10:29,010
what they saw but that they didn't see

1589
01:10:35,010 --> 01:10:32,100
you know they didn't see a forty one

1590
01:10:38,220 --> 01:10:35,020
Hornet with the tic-tac it's just not

1591
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:38,230
possible okay and then I have kind of an

1592
01:10:42,690 --> 01:10:40,210
odd question for you if you don't care

1593
01:10:44,970 --> 01:10:42,700
to answer that's uh that's no problem at

1594
01:10:47,730 --> 01:10:44,980
all but I wanted to ask you do you think

1595
01:10:50,820 --> 01:10:47,740
the United Nations the UN will pass ever

1596
01:10:53,190 --> 01:10:50,830
passed any resolutions on the UAP topic

1597
01:10:56,940 --> 01:10:53,200
I asked you that because on December 1st

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of 1977 there was a proposal pass that

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was being asked to be passed by the UN

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regarding studying this topic and it did

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not pass

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01:11:11,940 --> 01:11:07,990
there was no votes on it so wanted to

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01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:11,950
know do you think is that Congress or

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01:11:17,370 --> 01:11:15,370
the UN may in the future whether it be

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01:11:19,590 --> 01:11:17,380
the near future or way off future ever

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01:11:21,650 --> 01:11:19,600
consider putting together some kind of

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01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:21,660
study group with the credentialed people

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people that they feel are appropriate to

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01:11:28,500 --> 01:11:25,960
studying this topic in its entirety or

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01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:28,510
the best of their ability do you think

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01:11:34,380 --> 01:11:31,930
that that's a possibility and if so when

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01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:34,390
do you foresee that possibility and why

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01:11:40,050 --> 01:11:37,570
I mean certainly anything's possible

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01:11:42,050 --> 01:11:40,060
I I envision that something like that

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01:11:45,420 --> 01:11:42,060
would happen if we started seeing on

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01:11:49,050 --> 01:11:45,430
planet earth around the world

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01:11:51,300 --> 01:11:49,060
lots of incidents like the 22,000

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01:11:53,610 --> 01:11:51,310
for Nimitz and then 2015 off the East

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01:11:55,710 --> 01:11:53,620
Coast you know if everybody started

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01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:55,720
picking up these tic tacs and and they

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01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:58,330
you know we were equally befuddled then

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01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:01,440
it would make perfect sense for us as a

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01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:06,910
planet as a species to you know put our

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01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:08,110
heads together and try to figure out

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01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:10,960
what we were dealing with okay before we

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01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:12,850
wrap this up because so we're going to

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01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:14,650
do that I wanted to mention to you that

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01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:16,450
I was listening to you during an

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01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:18,730
interview again Jim Breslin wonderful

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01:12:22,020 --> 01:12:20,650
interview with you it was a great

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01:12:23,310 --> 01:12:22,030
interview by the way did wonderfully in

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01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:23,320
that interview you're very clear on

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01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:25,690
everything thank you I wanted to ask you

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01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:27,010
about something you brought up and that

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01:12:34,170 --> 01:12:30,880
was you said that the Gimbel video was

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01:12:37,170 --> 01:12:34,180
to you sort of a math video wasn't that

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01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:37,180
crystal clear and the go-fast video was

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01:12:41,790 --> 01:12:39,010
far more impressive to you as far as the

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01:12:43,530 --> 01:12:41,800
crystal clarity of it that it was insane

1640
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:43,540
so to speak I think is what you the word

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01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:45,610
you used can you tell me why you think

1642
01:12:49,860 --> 01:12:47,530
the Gimbel video wasn't that great

1643
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:49,870
compared to say the go-fast video which

1644
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:54,490
may have impressed you more I think if I

1645
01:12:58,710 --> 01:12:56,080
didn't say this I meant to say so the

1646
01:13:01,560 --> 01:12:58,720
the tic-tac video is kind of grainy and

1647
01:13:03,900 --> 01:13:01,570
fuzzy because it was so far away you did

1648
01:13:07,290 --> 01:13:03,910
go over that yes yeah so it's you know

1649
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:07,300
it exceeded the the the normal tactical

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01:13:14,190 --> 01:13:09,280
range that you would expect to be able

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01:13:17,150 --> 01:13:14,200
to use the 80 FLIR for the go-fast video

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01:13:19,380 --> 01:13:17,160
to me it could be anything it could be

1653
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:19,390
you know a cruise missile that they're

1654
01:13:23,550 --> 01:13:21,370
picking up cruising over the surface

1655
01:13:28,170 --> 01:13:23,560
I've seen I chased a cruise missile once

1656
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:28,180
and and that's what it reminded me of it

1657
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:30,130
could also be a tic-tac so I wasn't

1658
01:13:34,830 --> 01:13:31,450
there I didn't see it I don't have any

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01:13:37,710 --> 01:13:34,840
data on that the gimble video is the one

1660
01:13:41,190 --> 01:13:37,720
that to me is quite remarkable and all

1661
01:13:42,450 --> 01:13:41,200
the all the assertions around that that

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01:13:46,290 --> 01:13:42,460
there was actually a fleet of these

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01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:46,300
things with gimble the bull ship in the

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01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:48,370
middle that was you know rotating

1665
01:13:53,580 --> 01:13:49,600
obviously that's why it's called imbel

1666
01:13:55,530 --> 01:13:53,590
gimble around like a top that's the one

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01:13:57,150 --> 01:13:55,540
that's I think of all the video there's

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01:13:59,880 --> 01:13:57,160
basically three videos right there's the

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01:14:02,490 --> 01:13:59,890
original tic-tac go fast and the gimble

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01:14:04,110 --> 01:14:02,500
my ones that are out there I think the

1671
01:14:08,610 --> 01:14:04,120
gimble is the one that is most right

1672
01:14:11,130 --> 01:14:08,620
yeah the most go ahead I'm sorry there's

1673
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:11,140
a time lapse thing going on here it's

1674
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:13,450
the most what I apologize it's the most

1675
01:14:19,140 --> 01:14:14,770
remarkable because it actually shows

1676
01:14:23,060 --> 01:14:19,150
movement that you know you can you can

1677
01:14:24,990 --> 01:14:23,070
discern that is clearly clearly not

1678
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:25,000
anything that you know we're familiar

1679
01:14:28,380 --> 01:14:26,650
with whether it's of this world or not

1680
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:28,390
of this right and that's what you said

1681
01:14:32,670 --> 01:14:31,210
actually you said that the go-fast could

1682
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:32,680
be a cruise missile for all you know you

1683
01:14:37,770 --> 01:14:35,470
also said that you weren't sure you said

1684
01:14:39,900 --> 01:14:37,780
the gimble one is insane if it's real

1685
01:14:41,700 --> 01:14:39,910
and not a fabrication I remember now and

1686
01:14:43,590 --> 01:14:41,710
you also said it's a remarkable video

1687
01:14:45,180 --> 01:14:43,600
and then you said the gimbal is

1688
01:14:47,790 --> 01:14:45,190
different than the tick-tock and you

1689
01:14:51,930 --> 01:14:47,800
went on to explain why so yes thank you

1690
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:51,940
for explaining and not so clearly so uh

1691
01:14:55,410 --> 01:14:53,890
Frank did you have any last questions

1692
01:14:57,480 --> 01:14:55,420
because I think I'm done with my

1693
01:15:01,320 --> 01:14:57,490
questions we're able to interrogate the

1694
01:15:03,780 --> 01:15:01,330
heck out of Paco and he did rain yeah we

1695
01:15:04,650 --> 01:15:03,790
sure do appreciate it Paco and we had a

1696
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:04,660
big day today

1697
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:07,330
and we capped it off beautifully with

1698
01:15:12,150 --> 01:15:09,490
this interview I sure do appreciate you

1699
01:15:16,230 --> 01:15:12,160
coming on yeah and I do wanna let our

1700
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:16,240
folks know before Paco's since his

1701
01:15:21,930 --> 01:15:20,170
goodbyes to everybody is that there's

1702
01:15:24,900 --> 01:15:21,940
some really important websites that they

1703
01:15:28,020 --> 01:15:24,910
need to go to of Paco's and that is

1704
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:28,030
fighter sweet calm please go to fighter

1705
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:30,880
sweet calm and check out Paco's articles

1706
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:35,440
and also go to Lions of the sky comm and

1707
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:37,810
check out the wonderful book that he

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01:15:43,140 --> 01:15:39,970
wrote that's getting accolades from

1709
01:15:45,420 --> 01:15:43,150
really important people and it's a great

1710
01:15:47,970 --> 01:15:45,430
book please do check it out please do

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01:15:50,370 --> 01:15:47,980
buy it and for the holidays probably

1712
01:15:52,290 --> 01:15:50,380
would make a great gift and then also

1713
01:15:55,530 --> 01:15:52,300
wanted to mention and that prior to

1714
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:55,540
writing to writing lines in this of the

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01:16:01,080 --> 01:15:58,000
sky Paco published extensively in

1716
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:01,090
aviation classics magazine and AOPA

1717
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:03,730
magazine and of course fighter sweep as

1718
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:05,410
well as creating and producing the

1719
01:16:09,450 --> 01:16:07,570
award-winning naval aviation documentary

1720
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:09,460
speeds and Angels wanted to remind folks

1721
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:12,490
of that and we just really want to thank

1722
01:16:15,780 --> 01:16:13,810
you for the privilege and honor of

1723
01:16:16,949 --> 01:16:15,790
interviewing you and would like to thank

1724
01:16:20,850 --> 01:16:16,959
you again

1725
01:16:23,009 --> 01:16:20,860
for serving our great country it's a

1726
01:16:26,069 --> 01:16:23,019
great sacrifice and we are very grateful

1727
01:16:28,410 --> 01:16:26,079
to you for happening for doing that well

1728
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:28,420
again it was my pleasure I enjoyed every

1729
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:29,920
minute of it and thank you for having me

1730
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:33,610
on I appreciate it did did have one last

1731
01:16:39,689 --> 01:16:36,010
question Frank I apologize and that it

1732
01:16:42,299 --> 01:16:39,699
wanted to ask you if at any time perhaps

1733
01:16:44,129 --> 01:16:42,309
maybe sometime next year if you wouldn't

1734
01:16:46,310 --> 01:16:44,139
mind considering being on a panel we

1735
01:16:50,189 --> 01:16:46,320
have big panels we have about 20 people

1736
01:16:52,589 --> 01:16:50,199
or less on panels of experts around the

1737
01:16:54,089 --> 01:16:52,599
world on various topics and I wanted to

1738
01:16:55,500 --> 01:16:54,099
know if maybe in the future you wouldn't

1739
01:16:59,429 --> 01:16:55,510
mind considering being on one of those

1740
01:17:03,000 --> 01:16:59,439
panels sure where is it some more fun

1741
01:17:09,209 --> 01:17:03,010
like right right right in your homeroom

1742
01:17:11,100 --> 01:17:09,219
right where you're at now very much for

1743
01:17:12,689 --> 01:17:11,110
your patience and perseverance of this

1744
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:12,699
interview we're very grateful to you

1745
01:17:16,469 --> 01:17:15,130
we've really enjoyed it okay my pleasure

1746
01:17:18,919 --> 01:17:16,479
thank you so much pocket I really

1747
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:18,929
appreciate it goodbye and thank you and

1748
01:17:24,419 --> 01:17:22,090
that about wraps things up folks we will

1749
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:24,429
be back after this particular busy day

1750
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:26,650
we'll be back this weekend with another

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01:17:30,959 --> 01:17:30,130
show and thanks for tuning in and good